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Monday, July 16, 2007

Why does radiology have to be difficult?

“When angry, count to four. When very angry, swear.”
~Mark Twain

With orthopaedics being a high volume user of radiology, you would think that they wouldn't give you such a hard time when ordering studies. I understand that I am in an academic center and other services have residents calling for studies without an attending even seeing the patient. But, that is not how I roll. So, today I had to lay the smack down on a attending radiologist. When another service disrespects my residents, it makes me go volcano. So, here's the brief story.

I was minding my own business when 2 dudes ... oh sorry, that's a trauma story. Let me start again.

I am in clinic seeing my usual Monday morning 35 patients. I have a patient come in with a complaint of one foot problem (foot turning in) and we find another problem (probable PFFD). The mom is a poor historian and we have no charts from the outside hospital. On clinical exam, the patient just doesn't look right. He had dysmorphic facies and lower extremity anomalies. Something just wasn't right with this kid. We obtain the x-rays and realize that the other leg, which mom is not complaining about, has no hip. I further questioned the mother about his past medical history without any more information gathered. I thought about it and thought well how do I further evaluate this hip. I could do and MRI, Arthrogram, or an Ultrasound. Probably the least expensive and risky procedure would be an ultrasound. I ordered it and asked my nurse to see if it could be done today. I didn't think it would be such a big deal. Do the ultrasound and send the patient home with follow-up. Yeah, but no such luck.

As I go in and out of rooms, I hear my nurse trying to get things set up. There is some kind of back and forth. Then I hear they want to talk to the doctor. I said, OK; but my resident said he was all over is. I went into the next room. I come out again and my resident and nurse are saying how they don't want to do it because the kid is to old and they won't be able to see anything and yada yada yada. He gave one excuse after another. My resident said well Dr. P would like this done because it would be the most helpful and repeated what I had told him (this was confirmed by 2 others in the room at the time of the conversation). The radiologist said well I don't care what he wants, so forth and so on. (pause) "Oh no he didn't."

So, I walk over to radiology clinic. I walk into the reading area where 2 radiologists are reading films. I can't say everything I said. But, let's say if it was on TV it would have been bleeped out. I chewed him out for being rude to both my nurse and resident and for being a general @ss&*!#. The other radiologist got scatter from the fray as he tried to chime in on the case. I asked the just to do their f#%k!ng job and stop trying to act as if they are actually providing useful patient care. They should do the procedures they are asked to do like good technicians. In the end, I got my point across and the proper test was done.

Radiologists are like shadow merchants offering one expensive procedure after another and waffling on every diagnosis. They are like pathologists who need just one more stain or immunofluorescence to make the waffle diagnosis. Have some balls, make the call, and stop giving those who actually are taking care of the patients such a hard time.

"Anger is never without a reason, but seldom with a good one”
~Benjamin Franklin

PS. I actually have a lot of love for my radiology and pathology colleagues.

8 comments:

  1. I love how you stick up for your residents! :)

    Reminds me of the fight I picked in radiology about their refusal to do an abdominal series on a 34 week pregnant woman with a Crohn's disease exacerbation and a suspected bowel obstruction. I kicked ass and took names.

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  2. both of you are such badasses. you guys are my heros! i can only hope to be a stud doctor like both of you by telling stories about how stupid other people are and how brave and clinically superior i am than everybody else.

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  3. or titling a post to teach an actual valuable lesson "not everyone will like you" and then describing how someone likes you so much they cry when you enter the room

    "...but they will love me." is meant to be the rest of that post.

    orthopods always go straight to the radiology reports when something is missed to make sure the radiologist missed it too... preparing to share/deflect the blame. If there is a lawsuit, do they tell the lawyers, though the radiologist also missed it, take it easy on them, they aren't that smart to begin with?

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  4. anon1: My beef with radiologists isn't that they're bad docs or anything like that. My beef with them is their tendency to try to keep us from getting important studies done just because a patient is pregnant (particularly when the literature about the safety of radiologic studies in pregnancy comes from their literature). If the radiologist had said something like, "You will get more bang for you buck from a ct scan" that would have been fine with me. Instead the radiologist backed up the techs' refusal to do a clinically indicated study on an ill patient because they were worried about the fetus. The appropriate thing for the radiologist to do would have been to educate his tech and do the study, or to have suggested to me a better way of getting the information.

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  5. Come on now. If you read Dr. P's comments, one of the overarching themes is humility (which is why I try to keep up reading from time to time). It is a precious commodity in many medical and surgical circles, so please try to appreciate it when it truly exists. Nothing would make me, as an intern, feel more proud about my position on the team than having an attending take an, "I'm your Huckleberry" attitude towards some jackass that was abusing their authority.

    Thank you from your residents and nurses. My guess is that it is very difficult for an attending physician to identify when utilizing such a tactic is the appropriate method, best of luck in continuing to do so.

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  6. I've thought about what I'd do someday when I was an actual doctor and someone was disrespectful to a nurse or fellow doctor I respected. I'd hope that I would stand up for them like you did.

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  7. cstew: although i still believe in standing up for my "team", i have learned to be less caustic in my approach. maturation is a wonderful thing :).

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  8. As a radiologist, I can say that it was very unlikely you got any useful information from the ultrasound of the hip.

    Also, it is faster and more lucrative to just do exams as ordered. We take the time to confer and re-direct studies as necessary out of concern for the patient and not our pocket books.

    Emily

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